Raju ( 9 years ago )
Congratulations Singapore on losing any idetnity you once had.You have McDonalds, KFC and all the other American fast food outlets which are always packed with school kids with, obviously, enough money to do this everyday. The kids can't possibly use a coffee shop because there's no air con. Bless them one and all!You have the totally elite F1 and Masters Golf tournaments.You have those brain dead people carrying around miniature yapping dogs that obviously can't walk unaided.You have become a selfish and consumerist society.You have old men & ladies, like 65+, who can hardly walk having to work long hours in your coffee shops to earn a pathetic amount of cash. That's the gratitude for helping build Singapore for these elitist kids I guess.You have a hatred of foreign workers daring to walk on the same streets as you. Keep them hidden in a sweaty box whilst they build your luxury condominiums. No see, no care Lah!Your crime rates on attacking the elderly and vulnerable are increasing all the time. Well Done!You turn a blind eye to the horrific regime in Myanmar and accept the torture of civilians and monks.And now you have progressed to  ragging  which has always been a feature of Western schools designed to humiliate others just so a gang of pathetic no hopers can have a laugh. The  pack  mentality.Yep, the West has been doing all this for a long time now.Congratulations on growing up and becoming a fully integrated part of Western society.

Armando ( 9 years ago )
it's just about  friends  rgingag on  friends ? Ragging, unlike religious or political discourse is very much an inclusive institution, at least in AC (refer to my reply of point 1). You know need to be friends with someone to rag on them! You just have to have seen them around in school, or copying your copied homework without permission or insulting your favourite football club/computer game/topless model/movie/cartoon/girlfriend/mother/book. Seriously, why are you posing stupid hypothetical questions to an activity that might involve: putting someone in a box and (gently) kicking said box, stripping someone with the aid of 10 others, locking someone in a smelly room cupboard, throwing someone (small) in a tiny locker, making someone wear a dustbin lid or going into a dustbin, etc. This is a highly unintellectual activity that just allows for bonding within any institution. There's a reason why rgingag doesn't stop in universities: and that includes pledging for frats/sororities in Ivies. Lucide The best is yet to be.  If your friends can't humiliate you, then who can? Got to get the best out of your friendships. Ragging has been going on long before youtube has been around. Obviously there will be instances where people will definitely go overboard, but those are few and far in between. Students, especially those suffering under the singaporean education system should be allowed some release. Give them some free room to play in, and stop imposing your expectations of how students should behave on them. As someone has pointed out: rgingag is far more violent in the army. WHY THE FUCK ARE NONE OF YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT?

Cortina ( 9 years ago )
girl in question was ttiumarazed, couldn't face her classmates, etc.So perhaps, she wouldn't, and shouldn't, one plus month later, be putting up group photos of her and her classmates in her blog, right before the break for the A levels. Perhaps she would go into emotional trauma, and keep writing on her blog that she wants to kill herself, because she felt violated, instead of bitching about the A levels.As it is, she's going about her normal life, still good friends with her classmates, and guess what? They're probably studying together, taking their papers together, and maybe aiming for the the same universities together.What disturbs me is not the video, but the response of all you armchair moralists, who, sickeningly, blow such a case out of proportion. Want to know the truth? She's probably more ttiumarazed over all the damn hype surrounding her ragging, then the actual incident itself.So yes. Go on. Debate about it. Say she's wrong to be friends with her classmates. But it does sicken me, that the majority of the people here, all you armchair moralists, attempting to impose your own perverted sense of morality upon others. Perhaps we're wrong in even debating this matter, blowing it out of proportion. In fact, I'm sickened that I'm here in the first place, yet it's the lesser of two evils, that I'm not standing up for ragging, but more for you people to understand the context of which it is in.Should ragging be stopped? Perhaps. Or perhaps not. As long as there is no bodily harm (like the  taupok ), or excessive emotional trauma, there is no reason to make a supposed law or legislation against it. Yes, it challenges societal norms, but isn't that what society's progression is about? I'd give an example: If you talk about fashion, what people dress to the beach these days, is what people would have called indecent in the olden times. Heck. The t-shirts we wear used to be considered underwear in those times. Yes, maybe there's no noticeable benefit in ragging   but insofar, it is a rare case where people have fallen out with their close friends over birthday ragging incidents. If you do know of any particular case, please, do share. And perhaps, in the future, the more outspoken, change driving people would be these ACJC kids, instead of the cookie cutter, low-profile, bookish, grade A student. Because sometimes, change doesn't come from conforming to societal norms. Have a good day.

Jack ( 9 years ago )
BT: 1) The birthday girl was deflniteiy struggling a lot less than would be normal; almost likely guessing what was going to happen. She looks like someone from the sports team, so yes, if she did really struggle when she was being brought to the chin-up bars, it was unlikely they could restrain her without hurting her.2) Listen carefully to what she's screaming   aside from the random  stop it , she's more often yelling  who did that?!  and yelling comments about how gross/sick the stuff being thrown at her was, instead of yelling/begging to be let go.3) Kicking her shoe at the camera?4) Her head was not hit; she was pushed back down when they were trying to tie her hands; while it was rough, the blog description made it sound as if it was an equivalent to her being punched across the face or something.5) She wasn't sobbing   note that she was complaining about the stuff going into her eyes. If she was sobbing, the teacher would have deflniteiy complained more about them  bullying  her, instead of the mess.6)  Post-celebration , she was running around the canteen trying to hug her classmates, to get the stuff on them (not recorded on camera)7) The items used, although disgusting, were the usual orientation  goop  stuff   flour, water, milk (except maybe cake)8) Her blog, now taken down, states  Anyway, A Big Thank You to everyone who celebrated my Birthday as well as the good wishes. Well, although it was a DIRTY one but it was sure memorable.  Note that it was posted before the youtube video came out, and before people started the overblown debate on ACJC ragging.While it's all good and fine to put yourself into their shoes and walk around in them, don't do so without knowing all the facts, post and prior to the incident; if she was traumatized and sobbing, it would deflniteiy be more obvious in the video. Strange as it may be, it's a part of JC life which is memorable. Do you get angry at your  friends ? She still seems close to them; although you do know she would deflniteiy be attending their next birthdays. Yes, it's a lot more extreme than what is considered normal, but then again, if it was a guy, how many people would close both eyes, or laugh along? It's certainly not a good example of ACJC's culture, but then again, how many people here are just sitting on their moral high horse, when they probably were involved in some form of ragging or pranks on each other back when they were younger?

Chuck ( 9 years ago )
Hey~  Stop making being cisvernatove sound like we are some mountain tortise.  We are all young and are all looking for some fun everytime.  But we should at least have a standard of what is ok and what is not.I agree that MOST of us jumped to the conclusion that the girl was victimized, humiliated or whatever fucks like that.  And yes, we should keep our noses to ourselves   But if some moron wants to  publicize  the incident online, then don't complain for people are poking their nose into the matter.  Some were saying that we have too much time as we're bothering and commenting abt this matter.  If thats the case, FUCK YOU, contradicting bastards.Personally, I find the incident humiliating  Yes yes, I am cisvernatove.  But won't want that to happen to my friends just for the sake of fun.  They are my friends, not toys for my amusement.  Some prick mentioned that if we are so uptight about things like this, we must probably have a handful amount of friends.  Well, FUCK YOU TOO..  You're not in our shoes, therefore you do not even have a clue of what kind of friends we have.  Perhaps, you got that idea from some dorky schoolmate of yours, but thats a minority.And to be fair, there are some comments which made fair points stating that its all of fun and some other shit I really can't remember, Sorry.  Which gave me a slightly better understanding of the situation, at the least not anymore one-sided.Hey, I got attacked by my 15 of my classmates for the whole of 5mins and got low-blowed for my birthday.  The reason why i didn't make a fuss of it was the fact that they are my friends and i like them.  But that does not mean I condone that incident.  I went through kiwi and blanket parties, so I know how fun this things can be.  Just remember that there is always a limit.The real reason why everyone is making a big fuss was due to the fact that it took place in a JC, not because its ACJC.  If it happened in some ITE campus, trust me, EVERYONE and i MEAN everyone will be saying  BECAUSE ITS ITE WHAT~  Thats what most Singaporean thinks, so just bear with it for the next 3 weeks and everyone will be distracted by some other cockster's problem.Lastly, tagged as a loser is just plain fun   Hmm, How about having sex with your sister or girl-friends.  I record and upload the hot steamy action and tag her as slut, well that will be fun..  PLEASE FUCKING THINK before you say its all out of fun, i'm just asking you to think!  Thats all.  Just think.P.S  Not everyone has a good command of english, if you want to rebuke someone's comment, please don't say that they are illiterate or an ah-beng, just prove your point.  Anyway, I apologise for my poor command of english.